The vicar...halted the marriage of Ashley and Vicky Thorpe after their son, Cameron, began repeating his father's name.
The vicar stunned the 100-strong congregation by halting the service and announcing: 'This is a legal ceremony and I cannot proceed with that (Cameron's chattering) going on. Will somebody please take him outside?'
As the couple stood at the altar in disbelief, Mr Thorpe's grandmother protested that Cameron was not misbehaving.
But the vicar said she was 'making a scene' and ordered her to leave too.
He then told the congregation: 'If anyone else wants to make a scene, do it now', before eventually resuming the ceremony after Cameron was taken outside by an aunt....
Mrs Thorpe said Mr Cameron had already offended the family during the wedding rehearsal, when he objected to her father, Denis Robinson - who suffers from arthritis - using a walking stick to escort her up the aisle....
The couple said they were speaking out to warn others planning weddings at the church about Mr Cameron, and not to recover the £500 cost of the service.
Mrs Thorpe's uncle, Michael O'Driscoll, a funeral director, said: 'I have organised funerals at Christ Church where this vicar will not let families play any sort of music, other than hymns.
This is obviously one of those people who haven't the slightest interest in the religion he's pretending to represent. He's found a cushy job, and going through the motions. He'll also find that that's exactly the type of person God has always shown the most wrath toward. Jesus' most harsh words were toward the religious leaders of the day that failed to follow the laws the preached. The reaction to this fake "vicar" from the comments shows the results of his fraud...
And the church wonders why nobody goes anymore!
- Clive, Suffolk, UK, 6/7/2008 13:03
How quaint, People still go to church.
- Evestay, Balcombe, 6/7/2008 13:28
And this is religion for you! All fairy tales and myths.
- Thai, Manchester, 6/7/2008 14:42
There are those that attack Christianity from outside, then there are those that attack it from the inside.
Larry Harmon, who turned the character Bozo the Clown into a show business staple that delighted children for more than a half-century, died Thursday of congestive heart failure. He was 83.
His publicist, Jerry Digney, told The Associated Press he died at his home.
Sad, the most qualified potential Obama VP, and now he's gone. Well, there's always Al Sharpton, unless Al is picked to replace Bozo--but that would be a bit redundant, wouldn't it.
As I've mentioned before tolerance is really a rather ugly word, in the sense that it implies an attitude of borderline disgust--"I'll tolerate your present". However Liberals have used it so that it now carries with it a quasi-acceptance in as much as Liberals in their post-modern mindset perceive that one can accept mutually exclusive beliefs, which in reality means they are simply tolerating them as long as they conform to the over-arching Liberal world view.
The following illustrates some of the confusion that comes from such twisting of concepts...
Some Houston residents are upset after Korans were left on the doorsteps of hundreds of homes in their neighborhood as part of a campaign to educate people about Islam....
"If we went into a Muslim country and left a Bible, we would be in prison and then decapitated a few years later," Sue Ann Pieri, a resident who chose not to destroy the book, as other neighbors did, told MyFOXHouston.com.
The foundation, which left the books on doormats or hanging from doorknobs, said in a note accompanying the Koran that "rather than judging Islam and Muslims by the actions of a few, we want our fellow citizens to judge us by the book that influences and guides the lives of over 1 billion Muslims."
Here's the problem: Moslems in many areas of the world have displayed their willingness to kill people over the hint that a copy of the Koran has been disrespected. Having heard that, non-Moslems then would naturally fear a copy of the book being put in their possession, without asking for it. Many, seeing the atrocities committed by some Moslems, and noting the silence on the part of the rest, have little respect for the religion. Also it should be noted that the TV station like most media outlets makes money on "interesting" stories, so more often than not they'll exaggerate the response of the people receiving the Koran, in order to make the story more "sexy".
The Moslems distributing the copies of the Koran are being obtuse about non-Molsems' reaction by not realizing with the violent responses many Moslems show in protecting the Koran, it makes the book a thing of fear for many non-Moslems. It stands to reason, also, that when you lay a book on the doorsteps of people who didn't ask for it, many of those books will wind up in the garbage. Thus those distributing the copies of the Koran are doing it in a way that will insure the book is disrespected.
It's unreasonable to expect people to endorse another religion. Tolerance is a rude and ugly term, made vague by Liberals. However respect is another matter. Respect for another religion would suggest that if a Koran was left on your doorstep, you set it in a secure place, and notify the sender to come get it, because you don't need it, and don't want to throw it away, out of respect for their religious beliefs. Respect would say that if you hear of someone disrespecting your scriptures, you respond with words, not clubs, knives, guns or bombs.
But because of the confusions Liberal generate with their insistence on "tolerance" we wind up with dis-respect, anger and in some cases violence.
A Wisconsin attorney is challenging a state Supreme Court decision that he should pay a $90,000 penalty because the deciding vote was cast by a justice who accepted money from the attorney's opponents.
The case that sparked attorney James Donohoo's dispute with the high court was brought against a "gay' activist group called Action Wisconsin, which later called itself Fair Wisconsin. That group had described visiting pastor Grant Storms, who appeared at a conference on homofascism, as having advocated the murders of homosexuals.
Donohoo, on Storms' behalf, brought a defamation action, which a trial court judge, Patricia McMahon, dismissed as frivolous. An appeals level panel reversed the decision, concluding that the jury should have been given the dispute to resolve.
The state Supreme Court, however, stepped in and with the vote of Justice Louis B. Butler Jr., who had accepted campaign contributions from those opposing Donohoo, reinstated the order for him to pay about $90,000 in legal fees incurred because of the case.
What did Grant storms say? Here's a quote from one of the court rulings...
There's an uncanny unity in solidarity amongst the homosexuals. . . . They're solidified. They're single minded. Don't underestimate them....
They are a scornful people. They hate us. They have contempt for us. . . . We need to understand that. Don't think you're going to tiptoe out there and say hey, repent. They will want to kill you....
They are a stubborn people and they don't care. They want to trample us. . . . Here it is. It's us or them. There's no in between. There's no having this peaceful co-existence. They have to eliminate us and the Word of God if they want to succeed. It's almost like communism and capitalism. It's going to be one or the other. You can't have both. You can't peacefully co-exist....
Either we're going to succeed or they're going to succeed. Whether it's going to be a homosexual, anti-God nation, or it's going to be a nation that stands for God and says that that thing is sin. It can't be both. Won't be both. Something's going to happen. Either they'll crush us and have laws and silence us and kill the ones that won't be silenced or imprison the ones that won't be silent, or the church or the Lord Jesus Christ will rise up and say this is a Christian nation. This is the way it will remain. Go back in the closet....
There is a Philistine Army out there, it's called the homosexual movement. Whether you can see it or not, understand it or not, they want to eliminate us. This is no time to be under a pomegranate tree. . . . They [the Israelites] were a bunch of Tiny Tims tiptoeing through the tulips. And that is the church today unfortunately. When we're supposed to be out to battle, when we're supposed to be battling the enemy, we're under some stinking pomegranate tree shaking in our boots. That's where the church is. The church is hiding. The Christians are hiding....
You know I'm sick of appealing all this stuff. Why do good people have to go to these stinking wicked judges and beg them to please do the right thing. No forget the appeals. Forget the petition. We've been petitioning for 20 years. Signing petitions for 20 years, making phone calls for 20 years. We've been begging bad legislators and bad judges to try to do the good thing. Enough is enough. My friend. Just start taking it to the streets....
Wheeew! Come on. Let's go. God has delivered them all into our hands. Hallelujah! Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. There's twenty. Whew. Ca-Ching. Yes. Glory. Glory to God. Let's go through the drive-thru at McDonald's and come back and get the rest.
I omitted the editorializing by the Wisconsin Supreme Court, something the Court of Appeals didn't do. Also of interest is how the two courts summarized the case.
¶2 In October 2003, Grant E. Storms, a pastor of a church in Louisiana, and a well-known activist crusading against the homosexual agenda spoke at a conference held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His speech was about fighting the homosexual movement/agenda. In December 2003, Storms became aware of a press release issued by Action Wisconsin and Christopher Ott, which was posted on the Internet. The press release alleged that during the October 2003 speech, Storms made sounds like gunfire “as if he were shooting gay people,” and “apparently advocated the murder” of gay people. Storms also found a handbill affixed to telephone poles in his home city of New Orleans which contained his picture and was captioned, “Why does Pastor Grant E. Storms of Christian Conservatives for Reform advocate the murder of gays?” and at the bottom referred the readers to Action Wisconsin’s web site.
¶8 Storms is the pastor of a church in Louisiana. He hosts a talk show on a New Orleans radio station, and he has appeared on radio shows hosted by others in Louisiana, on a nationally broadcast radio show, and on Internet radio shows. Storms considers himself a Christian activist, and he has engaged in protest activities "against the homosexual agenda."
¶9 In October 2003, Wisconsin Christians United hosted a conference in Milwaukee titled "International Conference on Homo-Fascism." Storms was invited to speak at the conference. During his speech, Storms described his efforts to curb the "homosexual movement," and admonished his audience to take an active role in such an effort.
¶10 During the speech Storms drew an analogy between the homosexual movement and the Philistine army in the story of Jonathan and his armor bearer. Storms described Jonathan, an Israelite, leaving his army's encampment without permission from Saul, the leader of the Israelites, and confronting the Philistines with his armor bearer.
...from there they quote snippets from the speech, intermixed with "interpretation" and very biased editorializing. This they claim is all undisputed, yet their editorializing twists the context of the snippets into a meaning not derived from the speech itself, which is the heart of the dispute.
In the WSC decision the handbills are not mentioned until paragraph 94, in the Appellate decision they are mentioned in paragraph 2. The handbills would be crucial to establishing Action Wisconsin's animosity and malice toward Storm.
But the fact remains that one of the WSC justices took campaign contributions from one of the litigants, and while not a requirement by law, it has always been understood that in such a case, the justice recuse himself. But then, that would negate the real purpose of the bribe er...campaign contribution, wouldn't it.
A Los Angeles judge abruptly ended a trial and exonerated a man of possessing cocaine Monday after a courtroom confrontation in which a defense attorney produced a surprise video of his client's arrest that sharply contradicted the testimony of two police officers....
The drug charges against Alarcon rested almost entirely on the word of the two officers, Richard Amio and Evan Samuel....
Under cross-examination, Samuel and Amio denied hearing or saying several comments that the defense contended were made by officers on the video, including a threat against Alarcon to put him on his knees if he talked again.
The questioning climaxed when Alarcon's attorney finally asked Amio: "Are you aware of a video and audio recording that completely contradicts what you have testified to today?"...
The attorney accused the officers of targeting his client after they arrested him several weeks earlier on suspicion of assault, but discovered he had been released without charge.
The following is very telling about the problem this incident illustrates...
Civil rights attorney Connie Rice, who has studied the LAPD and pushed for reforms, said the department has tried in recent years to root out dishonest officers, particularly since Chief William J. Bratton took over in 2002. But she said, there are some who take shortcuts and lie.
"In their minds, they're compensating for a system that's rigged to keep them from making the arrests and getting the convictions they want," she said.
Of course it should be noted that the reason some police officers feel the need to lie in court is because of the laws civil rights attorneys have put in place making convictions extremely hard to get.
I elaborated on this problem here and more recently here. Judges invent laws from the bench, and the police are allowed to pick which laws they'll enforce, and on whom. That leaves ordinary citizens at the mercy of a handful of dictators who see their position in society as the arbiters of justice and punishment. The law becomes nothing but a decoration to make the totalitarianism somewhat more palatable.
The officers who committed perjury, rather than being arrested on the spot, are now on paid leave pending an investigation. Often such "investigations" are merely stalling tactics to get the issue out of the public's eye, so the officers can be put back on the street, and told to be more careful. There's no evidence that the Florida police officers who illegally harassed Christians at a Promise Keepers Conference 2 years ago have as yet to be punished in any way. The Christians have had to file a civil suit against the officers to ensure that such outrageous abuses of power are not repeated, since the police department itself seems content to ignore the problem.
Midwest floods may not contribute as much to food inflation as was feared.
Corn prices fell Monday after the government surprised traders, reporting farmers tried to cash in on soaring corn demand for ethanol by planting more acres of the crop than the market expected...
Farmers will harvest nearly 9 percent fewer acres of corn this year than last year, in part because of Midwest flooding that has damaged a portion of the crop, the government reported.
But the latest USDA figures also showed that farmers had planted more than a million additional acres of corn than they had expected to plant in March, which may remove some of the inflation potential out of the floods. Corn futures prices fell in the wake of Monday's report.
Levees on the cresting Mississippi River held on Sunday as the worst U.S. Midwest flooding in 15 years began to ebb, but multibillion-dollar crop losses may boost world food prices for years....
Fears that as many as 5 million acres of corn and soybeans have been lost to flooding in the world's largest grain and food exporter pushed corn and livestock prices to record highs in the last week.
The ripple inflation effect on global food prices as U.S. prices soar has alarmed everyone from central bankers to food aid groups. Fears that livestock herds will be culled because of soaring corn feed prices may push meat prices up for years.
Apparently we should believe only half of what we read, and still be very skeptical about that half, especially when it comes from notoriously unreliable news service like the AP and Reuters.
Both are stories the American Main Stream Media have censored, but can be found in the American alternative media (the internet, Fox News etc.)
While the MSM have an agenda to pursue the foreign papers may not see those ambitions as as pressing and it seems are now more willing to report stories censored by the MSM American press. But that will soon conflict with the Liberal mindset of "anything important is international", as they continue to try to censor those types of stories.
It'll be fun to watch how this turns out. Will the American Press put pressure on foreign papers to go along with their censorship, or will they finally, grudgingly acknowledge stories they have previously censored?
Obviously it's pretty sleazy of Obama supporters to lie about the blogs and get them shut down, but it's also pretty sleazy for Google to allow it to happen and pretend it's "security"
At least each election cycle some Liberal Media Myrmidon will pop some obscure question on a Conservative candidate, then, after waiting plenty of time for the Liberal candidate to look it up, "pop" the same question on the opponent. In 200 it was the names of the leaders of various semi-obscure nations. This time it's the price of gas...
In a telephone interview with the Orange County Register earlier this week, John McCain acknowledged he was unaware of the price of gas.
Actually McCain acknowledged no such thing. What he said was...
WICKSOL: When was the last time you pumped your own gas and how much did it cost?
MCCAIN: Oh, I don’t remember. Now there’s Secret Service protection. But I’ve done it for many, many years. I don’t recall and frankly, I don’t see how it matters....
I’ve been on the campaign trail for so long I don’t remember when I last filled up my own gas tank, but I certainly did for many, many, many years and I understand the difficulties and challenges that it poses for the people of California and my home state of Arizona.
Patterico points out that just days before the interview McCain was on record saying...
The price of a gallon of gas in America stands at more than four dollars. Yesterday, a barrel of oil cost about 134 dollarsm [sic, error in original]
This time Liberals don't even bother to pop a tough question, they simply lie about the answer.
Do I know how much gas costs? I have no idea since it changes from station to station and from day to day, so almost any answer would be wrong somewhere. Even a ball park figure could be taken as wrong if it leans to high or too low. I pumped gas into my car just last week, but other than a quick glance at the price, I didn't pay that much attention, other than to not it was somewhere around the $4 range. McCain at least know as much as I do so what's all the whining about.
If that's the best Liberals can come up with, they must know they can't go after McCain on any serious issues.
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